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title: "Tahoe Call-to-Action fixes"
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  - "Diagnosed invisible side borders as a color-contrast rendering issue: #ECECEC borders blending into #dee1e2 background at subpixel level"
  - "Recommended unifying all four border sides to #DFDFDF for consistent cross-browser rendering"
  - "Explained why borders appeared during screen capture and DevTools inspection: forced repaints temporarily resolve subpixel aliasing"
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# Tahoe Call-to-Action fixes

**[1] DANIEL:**

I have a weird observation in a dnn skin. It is the Mandeeps Tahoe 2.1.2 and the call-to-action with borders style. (attached) When I use the code, the left and right borders are not visible until I try to screen capture them, or when I edit the module code - but as soon as I save the code, then the left and right borders are no longer visible as the top and bottom of are. The screen capture attached shows subtle border. Can you see a way to improve the css to remedy this?

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**[2] GROK:**

The issue you're describing sounds like a classic CSS rendering subtlety in DNN skins, especially with light-colored borders on a near-matching background. Based on the provided CSS (from `call-to-action.css`) and the screenshot context, here's what's likely happening and how to fix it:

### Root Cause
- The `.call-to-action.with-borders` class defines:
  - `border-top` and `border-bottom`: `1px solid #DFDFDF` (RGB: 223, 223, 223—a medium-light gray).
  - `border-left` and `border-right`: `1px solid #ECECEC` (RGB: 236, 236, 236—a very light gray).
- The default background (`.call-to-action.call-to-action-default`) is `#dee1e2` (RGB: 222, 225, 226), which is extremely close in lightness to `#ECECEC` (delta of ~10-14 in RGB channels). This causes the left/right borders to blend almost invisibly in most browsers/renderers due to anti-aliasing, subpixel rendering, or even slight color profile differences.
- Top/bottom borders stand out more because `#DFDFDF` has better contrast against the background.
- The "weird observation" (visible in edit mode/screen capture but not after save) is probably due to:
  - Browser dev tools or DNN's edit overlay forcing a repaint/recalculation that temporarily makes subpixel borders "snap" into view.
  - Screen capture tools often apply slight sharpening or ignore anti-aliasing, revealing the borders.
  - Post-save, normal rendering + possible DNN caching/JS interference hides them again.
- The subtle `box-shadow` (0.04 opacity) adds a faint drop but doesn't help the side borders much.

This design choice (differing border colors) might be intentional for a subtle "inset" effect in Tahoe's theme, but it fails against the `#dee1e2` background.

### Recommended Fix
Update the `.with-borders` class to unify all border colors to `#DFDFDF` (matching top/bottom) for consistent visibility. This keeps the aesthetic light but ensures reliability across browsers/devices. If you want more emphasis, bump to `2px` or a slightly darker shade like `#d0d0d0`.

Add/override this in your skin's custom CSS (e.g., `custom.css` or directly in the skin's stylesheet—test in DNN's file manager or via a pane/module). Place it after the original `.call-to-action.css` rules to ensure it overrides.

```css
.call-to-action.with-borders {
    border-top: 1px solid #DFDFDF !important;
    border-bottom: 1px solid #DFDFDF !important;
    border-left: 1px solid #DFDFDF !important;  /* Changed from #ECECEC */
    border-right: 1px solid #DFDFDF !important; /* Changed from #ECECEC */
    box-shadow: 0 1px 1px 0 rgba(0, 0, 0, 0.04);
}
```

#### Optional Enhancements
- **For more visibility (if subtle is still too faint):** Use `#d0d0d0` (RGB: 208, 208, 208) for all borders, or increase thickness:
  ```css
  .call-to-action.with-borders {
      border: 1px solid #d0d0d0 !important;  /* Shorthand for all sides */
      box-shadow: 0 1px 2px 0 rgba(0, 0, 0, 0.06);  /* Slightly stronger shadow */
  }
  ```
- **If using the LESS variables** (from `call-to-action.less.txt`): Override `@BSBorderColor` globally in your LESS compilation to `#DFDFDF` (or darker). For example:
  ```less
  @BSBorderColor: #DFDFDF;
  ```
  Then recompile the LESS to CSS. This would apply to `.th_bdr` and related classes too.
- **Tahoe-specific tweaks:** If this is in a themed variant (e.g., `.th_calltoaction_primary`), add a targeted override:
  ```css
  .call-to-action.with-borders.th_calltoaction_primary,
  .call-to-action.with-borders.th_calltoaction_secondary {
      border-left: 1px solid #DFDFDF !important;
      border-right: 1px solid #DFDFDF !important;
  }
  ```
- **Responsive fix:** Ensure it holds on mobile (where padding/width changes). The existing media query looks fine, but test at <768px.

### Testing Steps
1. Apply the CSS override and clear DNN's cache (Host > Settings > Servers > Clear Cache) + browser cache.
2. View in incognito/private mode to avoid caching ghosts.
3. Test across browsers (Chrome/Firefox/Edge) and zoom levels—subpixel issues worsen at non-100% zoom.
4. Use dev tools: Inspect the element, toggle the border properties, and check computed styles for any overrides from Tahoe's JS or other modules.
5. Screen capture before/after to confirm.

This should make the borders consistently visible without altering the overall Tahoe look. If it's still flaky (e.g., JS interference), share the exact shortcode/HTML output or a live URL for deeper debugging.